There’s truth on both sides tbf. P&S is clearly written to benefit the traditionally big teams with massive revenue streams in the PL, and as a knock on massively benefits teams coming down from the PL to the Championship.
On the other hand it’s funny how fans of certain teams were bemoaning the authorities for not doing anything when they were in debt and on the brink of folding now moaning they can’t go in to more debt to spend even more money.
Wide_Astronaut_366 on
I feel like Simon Jordan might have a point on this. The rules are way too black and white, and not even close enough to being nuanced enough to have clear guidance on situations that may arise (Leicester this year is an excellent example)
There’s also a fair point that Everton, Forest and Leicester all knew the rules, and potentially voted for them in Everton and Leicester’s case. Which makes it all the more funny when the Liverpool clubs do what they do best and wheel out every ex player, famous supporter and pundit with a faintly scouse accent they can get their hands on to cry about how hard done by they are and how they are the victims again. But I digress.
The rules clearly aren’t fit for purpose, that is clear if we are having 3 clubs hit with points deductions, and there needs to be an amendment or change to the rules quickly. I will point out that Leeds and us both (as far as we know) fully complied with the rules, and went down as bottom 2. It doesn’t change anything but now in particular Everton and Forest have the benefit of the PL cash cow for a year more, so now have arguably a lasting advantage over every club below them. I don’t believe point’s deductions alone are correct or a fitting punishment – personally I feel a requirement to generate that income deficit quickly, or a 2 season transfer embargo might be a better option
wigum211 on
They all knew the rules and broke them. These pathetic points deductions are worthless to the clubs around them who were relegated or missed out on promotion while following the rules.
Dead_Namer on
The rules are wrong, it doesn’t prevent what’s happening to Reading or Wednesday, it doesn’t prevent leveraging debt onto a club. The points deductions are worthless too, 6 points for being able to stay up? Every club will still take that chance. I think they are doing small deductions on purpose to keep City and that other club in the PL with a 20-30 point deduction instead of relegating them into the conference which they deserve.
However I have no sympathy for Leicester because rules like this are there for preventing them doing what they did before and stiffing people out of money.
SpectacularB on
Let’s be honest, with anemic small point deductions being given out, 4 points for forest, what is the actual incentive to abide by FFP? Why not just spend and buy 40 new players and then be open and cooperative and lose the 4 points. You probably have a greater chance of staying up even with a small point deduction.
RafaSquared on
Not sure how anyone can deny that PSR makes football less competitive tbh. It’s increasing the gap between top 6 PL and the rest, and also increasing the gap between PL and championship, as we’re seeing this season with it looking very possible the same 3 who went up/down last year could be swapping back.
No idea how it can be fixed to level the playing field though, as clubs do still need protecting from dodgy owners, although as we’ve seen with Everton, PSR won’t always save you from bad owners, and it’s the club and fans who ultimately get punished the most.
Edit: I’m interested to know what part of this people seem to be disagreeing with.
somebodyanything on
I don’t think it is necessarily the fault of the individual club, or the P&S rules wholly. The structure of the football pyramid is the ultimate fault. The reason Leicester and Villa can’t compete sustainably isn’t because of P&S, it’s because the vast majority of money goes to the top teams as they’ve circled large swathes of the population into supporting them and not caring about the rest of the football pyramid at all, and then they share hardly any money with anyone else.
Smeg84 on
Some of our supporters have short memories.
Our owner has a plan of buy unknown or failed youth from the Premier League, then invest the money back into the club but some supporters expect sales to be like for like e.g. £10 mill from Ross Stewart means £10 mill for signings.
It’s not perfect (see this season) but it was only a few year ago we were buying players with no potential to make a profit from and with wages that crippled the club, panic buying (Will Grigg) while selling our academy players for less than valued.
The owner is now investing into improving the stadium, yet some supporters still moan that the money should be used on players.
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There’s truth on both sides tbf. P&S is clearly written to benefit the traditionally big teams with massive revenue streams in the PL, and as a knock on massively benefits teams coming down from the PL to the Championship.
On the other hand it’s funny how fans of certain teams were bemoaning the authorities for not doing anything when they were in debt and on the brink of folding now moaning they can’t go in to more debt to spend even more money.
I feel like Simon Jordan might have a point on this. The rules are way too black and white, and not even close enough to being nuanced enough to have clear guidance on situations that may arise (Leicester this year is an excellent example)
There’s also a fair point that Everton, Forest and Leicester all knew the rules, and potentially voted for them in Everton and Leicester’s case. Which makes it all the more funny when the Liverpool clubs do what they do best and wheel out every ex player, famous supporter and pundit with a faintly scouse accent they can get their hands on to cry about how hard done by they are and how they are the victims again. But I digress.
The rules clearly aren’t fit for purpose, that is clear if we are having 3 clubs hit with points deductions, and there needs to be an amendment or change to the rules quickly. I will point out that Leeds and us both (as far as we know) fully complied with the rules, and went down as bottom 2. It doesn’t change anything but now in particular Everton and Forest have the benefit of the PL cash cow for a year more, so now have arguably a lasting advantage over every club below them. I don’t believe point’s deductions alone are correct or a fitting punishment – personally I feel a requirement to generate that income deficit quickly, or a 2 season transfer embargo might be a better option
They all knew the rules and broke them. These pathetic points deductions are worthless to the clubs around them who were relegated or missed out on promotion while following the rules.
The rules are wrong, it doesn’t prevent what’s happening to Reading or Wednesday, it doesn’t prevent leveraging debt onto a club. The points deductions are worthless too, 6 points for being able to stay up? Every club will still take that chance. I think they are doing small deductions on purpose to keep City and that other club in the PL with a 20-30 point deduction instead of relegating them into the conference which they deserve.
However I have no sympathy for Leicester because rules like this are there for preventing them doing what they did before and stiffing people out of money.
Let’s be honest, with anemic small point deductions being given out, 4 points for forest, what is the actual incentive to abide by FFP? Why not just spend and buy 40 new players and then be open and cooperative and lose the 4 points. You probably have a greater chance of staying up even with a small point deduction.
Not sure how anyone can deny that PSR makes football less competitive tbh. It’s increasing the gap between top 6 PL and the rest, and also increasing the gap between PL and championship, as we’re seeing this season with it looking very possible the same 3 who went up/down last year could be swapping back.
No idea how it can be fixed to level the playing field though, as clubs do still need protecting from dodgy owners, although as we’ve seen with Everton, PSR won’t always save you from bad owners, and it’s the club and fans who ultimately get punished the most.
Edit: I’m interested to know what part of this people seem to be disagreeing with.
I don’t think it is necessarily the fault of the individual club, or the P&S rules wholly. The structure of the football pyramid is the ultimate fault. The reason Leicester and Villa can’t compete sustainably isn’t because of P&S, it’s because the vast majority of money goes to the top teams as they’ve circled large swathes of the population into supporting them and not caring about the rest of the football pyramid at all, and then they share hardly any money with anyone else.
Some of our supporters have short memories.
Our owner has a plan of buy unknown or failed youth from the Premier League, then invest the money back into the club but some supporters expect sales to be like for like e.g. £10 mill from Ross Stewart means £10 mill for signings.
It’s not perfect (see this season) but it was only a few year ago we were buying players with no potential to make a profit from and with wages that crippled the club, panic buying (Will Grigg) while selling our academy players for less than valued.
The owner is now investing into improving the stadium, yet some supporters still moan that the money should be used on players.