Give me the 2 game slog if it means they can take the time to identify a proper manager.
Nothing he can do vs. Villa or Porto short of winning by a combined 30-0 can convince me.
I’d go with Ruud interim but let’s see what happens.
nearly_headless_nic on
**From the article:**
**Manchester United are set to stick with manager Erik ten Hag for matches against Porto and Aston Villa this week, despite their demoralising defeat against Tottenham at Old Trafford on Sunday.**
Ten Hag has endured a poor start to the season, which has left United 12th in the Premier League.
Speaking after the 3-0 loss against Spurs Ten Hag said he was “not thinking” about losing his job, adding he and the owners are “on the same page”.
Ten Hag signed a new contract in the summer and last month club chief executive Omar Berrada said he had the club’s full backing.
While the pressure on Ten Hag is clearly mounting, **on Monday morning BBC Sport was told the club’s hierarchy will always consider such situations carefully, rather than making a decision immediately after a bad result.**
Nevertheless, Ten Hag faces a potentially pivotal week with trips to Porto in the Europa League and Aston Villa in the Premier League before the October international break.
# Defining week ahead
Not for the first time since his appointment, Ten Hag faces a defining week in charge at Old Trafford.
United travel to Porto in the Europa League on Thursday, having drawn against FC Twente in their opening group stage fixture last week.
The Red Devils then visit Villa Park on Sunday to take on Unai Emery’s in-form Aston Villa in the Premier League.
That fixture will be United’s last game for 13 days as the Premier League season pauses for the October international break.
# ‘No sense of knee-jerk reaction’
***Simon Stone, BBC Sport’s chief football news reporter***
I call this ‘tin hat time’.
Manchester United suffer a bad (really bad) result, everyone has an opinion (negative) and the club finds itself under siege. It’s time to put on the tin hats and ignore the noise.
What do they do?
I am not getting any sense there will be a knee-jerk reaction. United want to portray a sense of calm.
But clearly Thursday’s trip to Porto and Sunday’s Premier League match at Aston Villa offer both an opportunity to reset and a chance that a rubbish situation could get even worse.
This is an old and familiar situation at Old Trafford. But the people in charge are new. This is their first big test since concluding Ten Hag was the right man to stay in charge.
Leadership starts at the top. This is the point at which actions speak louder than words.
dispelthemyth on
Im glad the next 2 games are away, it means I won’t be in attendance
shanks_you on
Frankly, whatever happens the next 2 games, a change is still needed.
Already 3 years in, and we just played the worst I’ve seen yesterday. I feel like yesterday really broke a lot of us lol
Exotic-Length-9340 on
One game of grace for every trophy won. Thank you. Then it’s curtains.
StrikingChampion99 on
Who is available out there and can help the team? These 2 games can’t come soon enough.
KrystianCCC on
No good or even average team plays the way we do. Ten Hag’s vision is some kind of delusional crap he’s come up with and is desperately trying to make a reality.
I don’t know any team that plays the way we do. I don’t know any team that wastes the potential of their wingers like Rashford and Garnacho by forcing them to play wide so that the fullback can get into a scoring position.
I don’t know any team where the central midfielders, no matter who is placed there, avoid the ball just to be ready to press in case we lose it.
I don’t know any team that concedes the same two goals every game because Dalot and Martinez, who seem to be good players, are poorly positioned in the penalty box.
mipanzuzuyam on
So let’s say we win the next 2 games convincingly, what happens next? Wouldn’t it be harder to sack him then?
PitchSafe on
I remember when we had this periods with Ole and every time he was under pressure we played we where the 2008 United until in the end where he got fired. Will be intersting to see how the games against Villa and Porto will go
Minz15 on
Probably because there isn’t a great candidate out there. Nobody jumps out, Tuchel is a big name and proven to take no prisoners which this team needs. He’s also happy to just coach and let the suits deal with everything else but he isn’t necessarily a typical United manager, and I think Ineos are determined to bring some identity back.
Potter is probably 2nd over Southgate, he’s a great coach and hard to judge him on Chelsea as they were a shit show. But so are we and he’ll be under even bigger pressure here. Feels he needs a mid table club as a stepping stone. Suprised he turned down Ajax tbf.
TheJoshider10 on
A brief telling everyone he’s being backed specifically for the next 2 games is a clear indicator they’re looking for a new manager and want to get the new guy in during the international break while using the next few games as an opportunity to get it sorted behind the scenes.
You don’t make a brief specifying the 2 games conveniently before the international break if you truly back the manager. You’d confirm he’s staying and that the upcoming international break means nothing.
dutchcoachnl on
Heh 2 more matches heh I win titles heh if manchester united heh doesn’t want win titles heh I go elsewhere heh and win many titles heh
danmalek466 on
*Bruno Fernandes volunteered to speak to Sky Sports…*
I don’t give AF. Actions speak louder than words. If these lads were consistently beating the likes of Crystal Palace & FC Twente, but losing to the Liverpools, Citys, & Spurs, sure, we’d complain, but we could look at each other, and them, and say “it’s a process and we still have work to do…”. The fact that we look like we barely belong on the same field as ANY team begs questions. The time for talking is done. Show up or shut up…
Fawkeserino on
It’s the rational decision. Ineos scouted managers during the summer and coulnd’t find a better option. The managers available haven’t changed but convincing someone to join is even harder now, as we won’t have any funds in the winter or summer due to FFP. Furthermore, ETH has won a trophy every season he has been at United. Currently wining the Europa League seems the only option to play Champions League next season. With Project 150 the next manager (if they get rid of ETH) has to be good enough to win the CL. Ruud would be a huge gamble and already works at the club as an assistant coach. Furthermore, I think everyone agrees that Southgate won’t win us the League.
IndicationNo328 on
How does a manager who did so well with Ajax become so shit. Im not messing about, genuinely shocked and surprised. Does anyone have an explanation for this
discostu90 on
This is like extreme sunk cost fallacy or something
Garlic-Cheese-Chips on
That man could relegate us, no joke.
Gabi_Social on
We are so mediocre right now. If Sir Alex was still in charge there would be actual bloodshed. It would me the battle for Helm’s Deep look like a squabble over parking spaces.
In two years he’s progressed us to the bottom half of the table and the best he’s got is, “we need to do better”.
HaBumHug on
They understandably want to eek this out until next summer unless it becomes completely untenable. I think it’ll be Ruud as interim if that’s the case.
They quite publicly looked at alternatives in the summer so I’d be absolutely astounded if they now went with someone they could have got then.
adamgoodapp on
The only way he can convince me is if he wins the prem in the next two games.
zxnoregretzxzx on
Just hope he’s done after the Villa game regardless of how results go. Surely nobody internally thinks sticking with him is the right move. He should’ve gone in the summer but they gave him a chance. He’s further shown to be totally out of his depth in the Premier League, unbelievably naive and one of the worst managers in the division tactically. The rot needs to be stopped now while something can maybe still be salvaged from the league this season.
Gabi_Social on
I don’t understand the love for Potter. He’s got a Swedish FA Cup – a competition that Sweden doesn’t take seriously – plus Swedish third and fourth division titles. If that’s the basis of a Manchester United manager’s CV, they may as well poach Paul Cook from Chesterfield – he’s won more than double what Potter has (and he sells out the Proact!).
Nekravol on
So, just a bunch of talkers in the end. Kind of… not surprising?
thoseion on
He’s gone. I said it before the Spurs game that, if we lose, he’ll be sacked and it was just a matter of choosing the best time to do it, which I believe will be the international break.
If he’s sacked now there’ll be a media circus for the next week. Waiting a week allows the club to line someone up, action it during the international break, and then the story is all about the new manager rather than what’s happened up to now.
ijoinedtosay on
It’s fascinating to see how much he can fuck things up and still be allowed to keep doing it. We’re in to the 3rd year of his absolute wank style of football with disaster after disaster and yet he still gets to focus on the next game. It’s honestly amazing.
mcncl on
Ruud interim then McKenna if we stay up
lovecornflakes on
When we confirmed Ten Hag as manager I honestly thought we would be pressing monsters by now. That’s honestly what I thought. The fittest, hard working team.
cydus on
It’s never going to be good enough under him so just move on now.
Harrry-Otter on
The way I see it he’s probably got until the new year to save his job.
For all INEOS talk about wanting to put proper plans in place, I don’t see them jumping to a sacking but also they must be aware of the problems. If we’re not looking any better by Xmas then I’m sure agents will be contacted about a summer move and there’s always the potential to just put Ruud in charge for the 2nd half of the season.
ProtonDeck77 on
if ETH loses the next 2…
easier choice to make. less opposition to sacking.
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Give me the 2 game slog if it means they can take the time to identify a proper manager.
Nothing he can do vs. Villa or Porto short of winning by a combined 30-0 can convince me.
I’d go with Ruud interim but let’s see what happens.
**From the article:**
**Manchester United are set to stick with manager Erik ten Hag for matches against Porto and Aston Villa this week, despite their demoralising defeat against Tottenham at Old Trafford on Sunday.**
Ten Hag has endured a poor start to the season, which has left United 12th in the Premier League.
Speaking after the 3-0 loss against Spurs Ten Hag said he was “not thinking” about losing his job, adding he and the owners are “on the same page”.
Ten Hag signed a new contract in the summer and last month club chief executive Omar Berrada said he had the club’s full backing.
While the pressure on Ten Hag is clearly mounting, **on Monday morning BBC Sport was told the club’s hierarchy will always consider such situations carefully, rather than making a decision immediately after a bad result.**
Nevertheless, Ten Hag faces a potentially pivotal week with trips to Porto in the Europa League and Aston Villa in the Premier League before the October international break.
# Defining week ahead
Not for the first time since his appointment, Ten Hag faces a defining week in charge at Old Trafford.
United travel to Porto in the Europa League on Thursday, having drawn against FC Twente in their opening group stage fixture last week.
The Red Devils then visit Villa Park on Sunday to take on Unai Emery’s in-form Aston Villa in the Premier League.
That fixture will be United’s last game for 13 days as the Premier League season pauses for the October international break.
# ‘No sense of knee-jerk reaction’
***Simon Stone, BBC Sport’s chief football news reporter***
I call this ‘tin hat time’.
Manchester United suffer a bad (really bad) result, everyone has an opinion (negative) and the club finds itself under siege. It’s time to put on the tin hats and ignore the noise.
What do they do?
I am not getting any sense there will be a knee-jerk reaction. United want to portray a sense of calm.
But clearly Thursday’s trip to Porto and Sunday’s Premier League match at Aston Villa offer both an opportunity to reset and a chance that a rubbish situation could get even worse.
This is an old and familiar situation at Old Trafford. But the people in charge are new. This is their first big test since concluding Ten Hag was the right man to stay in charge.
Leadership starts at the top. This is the point at which actions speak louder than words.
Im glad the next 2 games are away, it means I won’t be in attendance
Frankly, whatever happens the next 2 games, a change is still needed.
Already 3 years in, and we just played the worst I’ve seen yesterday. I feel like yesterday really broke a lot of us lol
One game of grace for every trophy won. Thank you. Then it’s curtains.
Who is available out there and can help the team? These 2 games can’t come soon enough.
No good or even average team plays the way we do. Ten Hag’s vision is some kind of delusional crap he’s come up with and is desperately trying to make a reality.
I don’t know any team that plays the way we do. I don’t know any team that wastes the potential of their wingers like Rashford and Garnacho by forcing them to play wide so that the fullback can get into a scoring position.
I don’t know any team where the central midfielders, no matter who is placed there, avoid the ball just to be ready to press in case we lose it.
I don’t know any team that concedes the same two goals every game because Dalot and Martinez, who seem to be good players, are poorly positioned in the penalty box.
So let’s say we win the next 2 games convincingly, what happens next? Wouldn’t it be harder to sack him then?
I remember when we had this periods with Ole and every time he was under pressure we played we where the 2008 United until in the end where he got fired. Will be intersting to see how the games against Villa and Porto will go
Probably because there isn’t a great candidate out there. Nobody jumps out, Tuchel is a big name and proven to take no prisoners which this team needs. He’s also happy to just coach and let the suits deal with everything else but he isn’t necessarily a typical United manager, and I think Ineos are determined to bring some identity back.
Potter is probably 2nd over Southgate, he’s a great coach and hard to judge him on Chelsea as they were a shit show. But so are we and he’ll be under even bigger pressure here. Feels he needs a mid table club as a stepping stone. Suprised he turned down Ajax tbf.
A brief telling everyone he’s being backed specifically for the next 2 games is a clear indicator they’re looking for a new manager and want to get the new guy in during the international break while using the next few games as an opportunity to get it sorted behind the scenes.
You don’t make a brief specifying the 2 games conveniently before the international break if you truly back the manager. You’d confirm he’s staying and that the upcoming international break means nothing.
Heh 2 more matches heh I win titles heh if manchester united heh doesn’t want win titles heh I go elsewhere heh and win many titles heh
*Bruno Fernandes volunteered to speak to Sky Sports…*
I don’t give AF. Actions speak louder than words. If these lads were consistently beating the likes of Crystal Palace & FC Twente, but losing to the Liverpools, Citys, & Spurs, sure, we’d complain, but we could look at each other, and them, and say “it’s a process and we still have work to do…”. The fact that we look like we barely belong on the same field as ANY team begs questions. The time for talking is done. Show up or shut up…
It’s the rational decision. Ineos scouted managers during the summer and coulnd’t find a better option. The managers available haven’t changed but convincing someone to join is even harder now, as we won’t have any funds in the winter or summer due to FFP. Furthermore, ETH has won a trophy every season he has been at United. Currently wining the Europa League seems the only option to play Champions League next season. With Project 150 the next manager (if they get rid of ETH) has to be good enough to win the CL. Ruud would be a huge gamble and already works at the club as an assistant coach. Furthermore, I think everyone agrees that Southgate won’t win us the League.
How does a manager who did so well with Ajax become so shit. Im not messing about, genuinely shocked and surprised. Does anyone have an explanation for this
This is like extreme sunk cost fallacy or something
That man could relegate us, no joke.
We are so mediocre right now. If Sir Alex was still in charge there would be actual bloodshed. It would me the battle for Helm’s Deep look like a squabble over parking spaces.
In two years he’s progressed us to the bottom half of the table and the best he’s got is, “we need to do better”.
They understandably want to eek this out until next summer unless it becomes completely untenable. I think it’ll be Ruud as interim if that’s the case.
They quite publicly looked at alternatives in the summer so I’d be absolutely astounded if they now went with someone they could have got then.
The only way he can convince me is if he wins the prem in the next two games.
Just hope he’s done after the Villa game regardless of how results go. Surely nobody internally thinks sticking with him is the right move. He should’ve gone in the summer but they gave him a chance. He’s further shown to be totally out of his depth in the Premier League, unbelievably naive and one of the worst managers in the division tactically. The rot needs to be stopped now while something can maybe still be salvaged from the league this season.
I don’t understand the love for Potter. He’s got a Swedish FA Cup – a competition that Sweden doesn’t take seriously – plus Swedish third and fourth division titles. If that’s the basis of a Manchester United manager’s CV, they may as well poach Paul Cook from Chesterfield – he’s won more than double what Potter has (and he sells out the Proact!).
So, just a bunch of talkers in the end. Kind of… not surprising?
He’s gone. I said it before the Spurs game that, if we lose, he’ll be sacked and it was just a matter of choosing the best time to do it, which I believe will be the international break.
If he’s sacked now there’ll be a media circus for the next week. Waiting a week allows the club to line someone up, action it during the international break, and then the story is all about the new manager rather than what’s happened up to now.
It’s fascinating to see how much he can fuck things up and still be allowed to keep doing it. We’re in to the 3rd year of his absolute wank style of football with disaster after disaster and yet he still gets to focus on the next game. It’s honestly amazing.
Ruud interim then McKenna if we stay up
When we confirmed Ten Hag as manager I honestly thought we would be pressing monsters by now. That’s honestly what I thought. The fittest, hard working team.
It’s never going to be good enough under him so just move on now.
The way I see it he’s probably got until the new year to save his job.
For all INEOS talk about wanting to put proper plans in place, I don’t see them jumping to a sacking but also they must be aware of the problems. If we’re not looking any better by Xmas then I’m sure agents will be contacted about a summer move and there’s always the potential to just put Ruud in charge for the 2nd half of the season.
if ETH loses the next 2…
easier choice to make. less opposition to sacking.
AND Ruud gets hardder fixtures outta the way